You wouldn't though. Speaker 2: New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. On the other hand, I mean, if you look at the grand calculus, people he's helped or fed, versus people he's killed, I mean he's fed billions of people. The fact that he kept on doing it over, and over, and over again was like, "Come on.". And especially humiliated over the fact that they had to pay enormous war reparations to other countries. Yes. Yeah, but those are fantasies, they're some of them actually seem like-, Okay, this is a 20 year old female. And did you go back to the party then and continued dinner partying for a while? So, you're saying they're shocking these people because they thought it was worthwhile? You could say people were bat (beep) crazy. Now that's important. He recruited a bunch of subjects. The Green River murders terrorized Seattle in the 1980s. The son, eventually, after he emigrates to America kills himself. And he says, "Because of the rage." And invited me over. In a lab at Yale University with a bunch of regular Americans. The Green River murders terrorized Seattle in the 1980s. He's a man adrift. Okay, one of those very tiny old fashioned pair of glasses that would pinch on your nose. But if you think that's the right thing, if you think that science is worth pursuing you say, "Okay, I'll go along with this.". Carries electric shocks. In those days if you're a convicted male felon, you are strung up, but you're not allowed to hang until you die; you're cut down before then. My dorsal hair stood up when I read the end of this. A lot of them were like, "This is not how you fight a war.". If the experimenter is not a scientist, but is an ordinary man. But over the entire ocean, there's a lot of gold dissolved into the sea. The fact that he kept on doing it over and over and over again was like, "Come on.". You're going to keep giving him what, 450 volts every shot now? ", "We'll basically bring it to the front and when the- when the wind is right, we'll just spray it.". We need to put it under a lot of pressure. So, he plans to destroy Othello. That's one of the things we have to know and that's why it's okay to let out. Okay. Really, that story has been told a million and one times for the last 50 years. It's about 1880. He's chomping on a Virginian cigar. But it's suspected that it could be upwards of 75. They couldn't deploy it. Yeah, I don't think we quite [crosstalk 00:49:32]. This story made us wonder, "Is David's friend-". Uh, it makes up four out of every five or so molecules that we breathe. I knew what he was capable of, so I suggested that we go out for a walk and I, basically, spent the next half hour walking around with him trying to cool him off. Become A Member. And one of the first acts that the Nazis do is to-, That says, "There shall be no Jews in the civil service. Within minutes the gas reached the Allied side. And this is was the difference between Kaiser Wilhelm and, of course, Hitler's Germany. I would say in a powerful mood; we're close to some really fundamental truths about human nature. One of those very tiny, old fashioned, uh, pair of glasses that would pinch on your nose. That allows an individual to act inhumanely? Obedience droops to about 40 percent [inaudible 00:15:40]. with Lulu Miller, and Latif Nasser. They continued shocking their corpses. Like, he didn't intend for that to happen. So, how do you feel about him now? Trim, nice mustache. Yet you go into this anyway, knowing full well that it could-, "That is true. And even when they do say yes, even when they go along with the experiment, as you can see in the film. That's it? The good Iagos make you want to shower the minute you leave the theater. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. That's like an adult blue whale of chlorine. And I- I killed her. Come over now.". So then Hey wait, I'm almost done guys, give me two more minutes, two more minutes. Then suddenly the thought occurred to me that my life would be much happier without him in existence.". Stanley Milgram took electric shock very seriously. And that tonnages then moves into our food source, our food source then moves into our bodies, and the rough statistics are that half of each of our bodies contains nitrogen from the Haber process. I'm Jad Abumrad. We decided to shake things up at the show.bear with us. On the other hand, if anyone could do it-. But we will do it on our own if we think it's good.". (beep) God. Thanks. And so, uh, when I went to the party, the party was already in full swing when I got there. They start disagreeing with each other, and this one you get zero percent going all the way. Thanks also to reporter Aaron Scott for that story. Radiolab is supported by Casper. Speaking with Carol's mom, Carol's little daughter. So there's a way in which there's a touch of spark of humanity. Anytime the experimenter said, "You must continue." SciShow Tangents Bread from the air was the phrase 'cause Haber had figured out a way to take nitrogen from the air, put it into the barren ground, and grow wheat. Nothing to be ashamed of. Making him the most prolific serial killer in American history. He claimed they were in the middle of a sex act, he would get distracted, something would happen. In fact, his chemist had given this particular pesticide a smell. What follows is this ongoing conversation between Job and his friends about why does this happen? Well, actually the one thing that the study really doesn't show is that people obey orders. With my arm. Okay. "This was exactly what was in my mind. In 1962 Stanley Milgram shocked the world with his study on obedience. Meaning, any idea what was in his mind? Do you leave this experiment in a light mood or in a dark mood overall? "The experiment requires that you continue.". Look, the participants, it's not just blind obedience, "Oh you tell me so, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". The same year that Adolf Eichmann goes on trial for Nazi war crimes. And, "Well why the rage?" Whatever it is. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. In that moment, my father, he stands up and he says-. It comes to us from our reporter, Aaron Scott. She had something else on her mind. ", Yes I did need to kill. They were gagging, they were choking. It was developed in his Institute. So, Sam what happened to this guy after World War I? And according to some accounts, as it crept across no man's land-. And what he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. ", In Titus Andronicus, there's a character by the name of-, There's a moment in the play when Aaron gets up on stage, looks at the audience and says, "Let me just tell you the kinds of things I've been up to recently. And so when I went to the party, the party was already in full swing when I got there. You know, this was like oil is today. Visit our website. I can't quite place him. I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. Yes. Today's date Is June 17, 2003. Which is a fairly small-ish sort of town, and so does Clara. And so I expanded the sample where we asked about 5,000 people-. And is found by her son. I thought about grabbing a knife quickly and stabbing him in the chest repeatedly until he was dead. But- but there's part of me that says, you know, here's a guy who just wanted to do everything better than had ever been done before. No reason. His was the first generation when a young Jewish boy could truly imagine that he could just be a regular part of that society, he could do anything. Radiolab was created by Jad Abumrad and is produced by Soren Wheeler. And actually this wasn't just a German thing, a lot of people were beginning to worry that with about a billion and a half people on the planet, at that point, that maybe we were maxing out, that the earth couldn't support this many people. Accuracy and availability may vary. But it wasn't until a few years later that he learned something that really put what happened that night into context. And the way I killed her, I cared for her because I dated her for [inaudible 01:01:43]. And oddly enough, we got a really interesting take on the true nature of badness from this guy-. And we end with the story of a man who chased one of the most prolific serial killers in US history, then got a chance to ask him the question that had haunted him for years: why? It is a fair question to ask what are the conditions under which you or me or any of us could do-. Which was sort of asking these questions like, "What makes a person inherently good or bad? 'cause this room's echo-ey and you know there's nothing like a closet full of clothes to, like, help balance that out. Because it's like we started with this experiment that we all see as evidence of humans' latent capacity for evil. Around this same time, officials in the US government are calling him a war criminal. Just trying to imagine that. We want what Elizabethan's got at the scaffold, which was a confession. How do you tell the real baddies from the rest of us? He's bald. You know what? And not just because he was vain, which everyone agrees he was, but because he loves his country. Our staff includes Simon Adler, Maggie Bartholomew, Becca Bressler, Rachael Cusick, David Gebel, Ethel Hepti, Tracy Hunt, Matt Kielty, the lovely Robert Krulwich, Annie McEwen, Latif Nassar, Malissa O'Donnell, Adrian Wack, Pat Walters, and Molly Webster. Bonobos. But if looked at from another perspective, there is a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. And to approach it with kind of crazy joy, I don't know. But this is why this is such an interesting guy, around the same time, officials in the U.S. government are calling him a war criminal. He says that he's gonna- He's always been hiring people based on how smart they are and not who their grandparents were. James Shapiro, professor of English at Columbia University. But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. The prods. And so I went up to the bedroom to find him and he was in a rage. To find page after page of yeses. Does everybody, at some point, have something dark in them that just tiptoes out, from time to time? What you know-". And in the other room, there was a guy, who he called the learner, who was supposed to have memorized some words. Transcripts and recorded audio may be available for many of the programs you hear on WNYC. Mm-hmm (affirmative). So, as we begin this episode of the Bad Show, check out The Blank Slate by Steven Pinkner, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. Um, although there's some (laughs) [crosstalk 00:02:19]. And today evil, although, I don't know if that's the right word for this next thing. How could you? And at the very end of the play when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? What's interesting is that how all of these struggles, all of them, play out the same way. It's okay to admit this. Uh, she, uh, expressed disapproval about his, um, clothing choices. 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